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<div style="float:right; padding:0 1em;">{{navbar|Blockquote paragraphs|plain=y}}</div>
<div style="float: right; padding: 0 1em;">{{navbar|Blockquote paragraphs|plain=y}}</div>
Due to the utterly intractable [[MediaWiki]] bug reported at {{bugzilla|6200}}, and still unfixed {{as of|February 2012|lc=y}}, block quoting on Wikipedia, with or without a template, cannot handle freeform linebreaking for paragraphs and poems and the like, unless formatted one very specific (and annoying) way. It's not a problem of blockquote templates, but all uses of {{tag|blockquote|open}}.
Due to the utterly intractable [[MediaWiki]] bug reported at {{bugzilla|6200}}, and still unfixed {{as of|February 2012|lc=y}}, block quoting on Wikipedia, with or without a template, cannot handle freeform linebreaking for paragraphs and poems and the like, unless formatted one very specific (and annoying) way. It's not a problem of blockquote templates, but all uses of {{tag|blockquote|open}}.


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The intuitive choice:
The intuitive choice:


<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1<br />
<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 <br />
Line 2<br />
Line 2 <br />
Line 3<br />
Line 3 <br />
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>


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Blank lines seem to work at first:
Blank lines seem to work at first:


<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1<br />
<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 <br />
<br />
<br />
Line 2<br />
Line 2 <br />
<br />
<br />
Line 3<br />
Line 3 <br />
<br />
<br />
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>
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Line 4}}
Line 4}}


Yet this markup fails with wiki ":" indentation:
Yet this markup fails with wiki ":" citation:


:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1
:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1
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Just trying to use {{tag|p}} or {{tag|br|single}} markup won't solve all the problems:
Just trying to use {{tag|p}} or {{tag|br|single}} markup won't solve all the problems:


<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1&lt;br/><br />
<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 &lt;br/><br />
Line 2&lt;br/><br />
Line 2 &lt;br/><br />
Line 3&lt;br/><br />
Line 3 &lt;br/><br />
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>
Line 4}}</code></blockquote>


results in odd spacing, with the middle blocks too close together:
results in odd spacing, with the middle blocks too close together:


{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1<br />
{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 <br />
Line 2<br />
Line 2 <br />
Line 3<br />
Line 3 <br />
Line 4}}
Line 4}}


Meanwhile this version seems okay at first:
Meanwhile this version seems OK at first:


<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|&lt;p>Line 1&lt;/p><br />
<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|&lt;p>Line 1&lt;/p><br />
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<p>Line 4</p>}}
<p>Line 4</p>}}


but again can't be indented:
but again can't be indented in citation:


:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|<p>Line 1</p>
:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|<p>Line 1</p>
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{{As of|February 2012}}, the {{em|only}} solution for the problem is to use {{em|unbroken markup}} with {{tag|p}} or {{tag|br|single}} elements (or others, like nested blockquotes and lists):
{{As of|February 2012}}, the {{em|only}} solution for the problem is to use {{em|unbroken markup}} with {{tag|p}} or {{tag|br|single}} elements (or others, like nested blockquotes and lists):


:{{tnull|<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1&lt;br/>Line 2&lt;br/>Line 3&lt;br/>Line 4.}}
:{{tnull|<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 &lt;br/>Line 2 &lt;br/>Line 3 &lt;br/>Line 4.}}


which, while hard to read, especially for long content, results in the expected:
which, while hard to read, especially for long content, results in the expected:


{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1<br />Line 2<br />Line 3<br />Line 4.}}
{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 <br />Line 2 <br />Line 3 <br />Line 4.}}


And it {{em|does}} work with wikimarkup ":" indentation, unlike the failed test cases above:
And it {{em|does}} work with wikimarkup ":" citation, unlike the failed test cases hereinbefore:


:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1<br />Line 2<br />Line 3<br />Line 4.}}
:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|Line 1 <br />Line 2 <br />Line 3 <br />Line 4.}}


Happily, there is an HTML-comment workaround for readability that lets you do whatever you want:
Happily, there is a [[HTML]] comment workaround for readability that lets you do whatever you want:


<blockquote><code><nowiki>
<blockquote><code><nowiki>
{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=&lt;!--<br />
{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 1&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 1 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 2&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 2 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 3&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 3 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 4.}}
-->Line 4.}}
</code></blockquote>
</code></blockquote>
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{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=&lt;!--<br />
{{</nowiki><includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=&lt;!--<br />
<br />
<br />
-->Line 1&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 1 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
<br />
<br />
-->Line 2&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 2 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
<br />
<br />
-->Line 3&lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
-->Line 3 &lt;br/>&lt;!--<br />
<br />
<br />
-->Line 4.}}
-->Line 4.}}
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{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=<!--
{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=<!--


-->Line 1<br /><!--
-->Line 1 <br /><!--


-->Line 2<br /><!--
-->Line 2 <br /><!--


-->Line 3<br /><!--
-->Line 3 <br /><!--


-->Line 4.}}
-->Line 4.}}


They {{em|are}} indentable:
They {{em|are}} citable:


:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=<!--
:{{<includeonly>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</includeonly><noinclude>bq</noinclude>|1=<!--
-->Line 1<br /><!--
-->Line 1 <br /><!--
-->Line 2<br /><!--
-->Line 2 <br /><!--
-->Line 3<br /><!--
-->Line 3 <br /><!--
-->Line 4.}}<noinclude>
-->Line 4.}}<noinclude>


{{Documentation}}
{{Documentation}}


<!-- Categories and interwikis go on the /doc subpage. -->
<!-- Categories and interwikis links go on the /doc subpage. -->


</noinclude>
</noinclude>

Revision as of 18:46, 10 April 2013

Due to the utterly intractable MediaWiki bug reported at Template:Bugzilla, and still unfixed as of February 2012, block quoting on Wikipedia, with or without a template, cannot handle freeform linebreaking for paragraphs and poems and the like, unless formatted one very specific (and annoying) way. It's not a problem of blockquote templates, but all uses of <blockquote>.

The problem in action: test cases that seem like they should work but fail

The intuitive choice:

{{bq|Line 1

Line 2
Line 3

Line 4}}

results in the mangled:

Template:Bq

Blank lines seem to work at first:

{{bq|Line 1


Line 2

Line 3

Line 4}}

though with quite tall spacing between the content blocks (lines, in our test cases):

Template:Bq

Yet this markup fails with wiki ":" citation:

Template:Bq

Just trying to use <p>...</p> or <br /> markup won't solve all the problems:

{{bq|Line 1 <br/>

Line 2 <br/>
Line 3 <br/>

Line 4}}

results in odd spacing, with the middle blocks too close together:

Template:Bq

Meanwhile this version seems OK at first:

{{bq|<p>Line 1</p>

<p>Line 2</p>
<p>Line 3</p>

<p>Line 4</p>}}

Template:Bq

but again can't be indented in citation:

Template:Bq

As of February 2012, the only solution for the problem is to use unbroken markup with <p>...</p> or <br /> elements (or others, like nested blockquotes and lists):

{{bq|Line 1 <br/>Line 2 <br/>Line 3 <br/>Line 4.}}

which, while hard to read, especially for long content, results in the expected:

Template:Bq

And it does work with wikimarkup ":" citation, unlike the failed test cases hereinbefore:

Template:Bq

Happily, there is a HTML comment workaround for readability that lets you do whatever you want:

{{bq|1=<!--

-->Line 1 <br/><!--
-->Line 2 <br/><!--
-->Line 3 <br/><!--
-->Line 4.}}

or even:

{{bq|1=<!--


-->Line 1 <br/><!--

-->Line 2 <br/><!--

-->Line 3 <br/><!--

-->Line 4.}}

which results in the expected:

Template:Bq

They are citable:

Template:Bq


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